Now RIAA wants Universities to get campus wide Napster subscription or “lose all federal financial aid”

ImageWhy am I angry? The new Higher Education Bill (HEA §494) requires that the Universities stop all P2P downloads that RIAA doesn’t like AND buy Napster or Rhapsody subscriptions for every student on the campus or lose all federal financial aid.

I am an IP attorney; I understand copyright laws way too well. I know what RIAA is trying to do here; these tactics are underhanded and really infuriate me.

RIAA has been phenomenally successfully in using the copyright laws to prosecute selected students at various Universities - sort of like a sniper attack on a select few. Now they want to go nuclear - they want to cut off federal financial aid to the University, if the University doesn’t effectively police the P2P downloads.

The massive Higher Education bill is about 750 pages, (or you can view just the relevant Sections 487 and 494 here, if you prefer). The Section 494, titled “CAMPUS-BASED DIGITAL THEFT PREVENTION”, in its simplified version, says the following.

Sec. 494 Each eligible institution participating in the federal aid program shall:

  • provide annual disclosure/warnings to the students applying for or receiving financial aid, stating that:
    • P2P file sharing may subject them to civil and criminal liability;
    • summary of penalty for violation of copyright laws;
    • University’s policy of disciplinary action for using university’s IT for unauthorized downloads; and
    • the actions that the University takes to detect such activities;
  • develop plans for offering alternative to illegal downloading or P2P distribution; and
  • develop plans to deter illegal downloading.

copyright_policeEssentially, this means that the Universities will have to become the Copyright cops. Additionally, the Universities will have no choice but to provide some sort of subscription service for music and videos to ALL students. What are the options that are out there? Campus wide Napster or Rhapsody subscription? Either that, or risk losing the financial aid.

What really bothers me is that the copyright holders (essentially RIAA and MPAA) are private parties - why are they being given these extraordinary powers?

Next, MPAA would go to the federal government and say “there are a lot of bootleg copies of movies being sold in downtown LA. In the Highway funding bill, please add an amendment - City of Los Angeles has to provide an alternative to these cheap DVDs, and No more highway funding for LA until they fix the DVD bootlegging problem.” That’s exactly what RIAA and MPAA are doing to the Universities.

This is like Visa going to the University and saying that “a lot of students are not paying their bills on time. Mr. Dean of the University, you have to make sure that nobody is late in their payment, and if they can’t pay on time, you should make the minimum payment on their behalf. And if you don’t, we will take away all financial aid for the University!” How absurd is that!

William Patry, senior Copyright Counsel to Google and the author of highly regarded 7 volume treatises on copyright has this to say:

With these efforts to deprive universities of federal funds, it is difficult to conclude there is a low beyond which content owners will not go. What’s next, an amendment to Sarbanes Oxley that requires the CEO of companies to certify no employee infringes copyright? Or, how about a requirement that before we can receive U.S. mail, each of us has to certify to the Post Office that we don’t infringe copyright?…The concept that the federal government will use coercive force through unrelated laws to enforce the rights of private individuals more than capable of enforcing their own rights is unprecedented, unnecessary, and unprincipled.

Ars Technica has been following this closely. RIAA tried to pull something similar in July when it black listed 25 Universities and colleges and sponsored an amendment to the Education bill that would keep all education funds hostage until the copyright violations were corrected. That amendment died a quiet death.

The Association of American Universities (AAU) has let its displeasure be known. Last week, in a letter to Rep. Miller, AAU urged the legislators to remove the P2P provision (Sec. 494) in the Higher Education bill.

The proposal would mandate a completely inappropriate role for the Secretary of Education to single out individual institutions based on information under the control of the entertainment industry, force institutions to seek an unachievable goal of preventing illegal P2P file sharing, and risk the loss of student aid for countless students innocent of any illegal file sharing activity.

ImageI have no issues with RIAA and MPAA aggressively enforcing their rights, but don’t jeopardize financial aid to the University or to a student who has personally done nothing wrong, just because it is convenient for RIAA and MPAA to do so.

The bill is being cosponsored by Rep. George Miller (D-CA) email George.Miller@mail.house.gov, and Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX) ( he prefers not to provide his email address, if you want to fill out the form to send online message click here; select Compose own letter at the bottom). His phone number is (202) 225-2531.


114 Responses to “Now RIAA wants Universities to get campus wide Napster subscription or “lose all federal financial aid””

  1. By nickthedude on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    to the author,

    Im just wondering if you, meaning an individual, is sued for copyright infringement by th riaa or others, how effective would an argument of equal protection be in defense? ie claiming to be unfairly singled out among hundreds of thousands of infringers? If you could email ur response it would be appreciated.

    thank you

  2. By john on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    thats crazy

  3. By John on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    The funny thing is, I hope a bill like this gets passed. The government never offered me any financial aid. Instead I have to pay tuition out of loans. Now, I know the financial aid pays for other things too, but if me continuing to download(and I will) harms the same people who refuse to help me, I’ll dl twice as much.

    This bill will never stop us. There will always be those out their sharing files and dling torrents. It will never stop, and trying to make it stop only becomes worse. The problem is prices. $60 for a video game. $15 to see a movie, $20-$30 to buy the DVD. $20 for a CD. Its ridiculous. Why should we pay for something that charges insane amounts of money for nothing.

    Im sorry, but a 5 hour video game costing that much? No. Buying the DVD only to see the movie thousands of times on regular cable and to buy the DVD with often little to no extra features. Buying a CD with only one good song and the rest are generic remixes of their previous work? The greed and the gluttony of the music and movie industry, and the entire entertainment industry as a whole is thoroughly disgusting and the reason why we pirate. We pirate as a demonstration. As a way of saying “we won’t pay your prices”.

    Until you fix the problems with the industry, you will never solve the piracy problem. When the entertainment industry offers more reasonable prices and treats their customers with respect and not like targets… “sort of like sniper attack on a select few”. We see you going after those select few. We see you attacking us. It only makes us stronger and our will to disobey your policies fiercer.

    When you lighten up and listen to us, then maybe we will listen to you. Until then, P2P will never die.

    -Pirates.

  4. By CoCo on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    Seriously… Thank god for the internet and social new or else this may have never come to light. Can you imagine the educational apocalypse that could occur if this law was passed and upheld in court? I know some colleges such as the University of Rochester offer free downloads, but it also costs about 40k a year to go there. State schools would be doomed as far as funding goes for this.

    What’s truly stunning is the audacity of the representative who inserted this into the bill. I would love to hear his defense of this amendment. I just want to steal more movies and music from my schools P2P network now thanks to the pure evil that eminates from the RIAA.

  5. By Nicholas Hoium on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    wait.. so the bill is for “Higher Education”,

    and they’re threatening to take away financial aid to universities…

    Wouldn’t that put a halt on Higher Education?
    How does this act benefit Higher “Education” at all?

  6. By Brian on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    What I fail to understand is why is RIAA expecting the Federal government to protect their business model at the expense of education. Not only does this put the student in jeopardy it also puts a great deal of schools at risk. Many schools rely on federal aid to continue operations and for a private entity to propose to the government that to protect their business model schools must be strong armed into being copyright police, is ridiculous.
    The only time any of these large corporations want government involvement is when their revenue flow is being affected, any other time they expect a hands off involvement. You can’t have your cake and eat it too as they say.

  7. By Stephen Schillinger on Nov 12, 2021 | Reply

    Do not pass the bill HEA §494. It gives private parties too much power over the public education system.

  8. By Mhs on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Where can I find a consolidated listing of law makers who accepted contributions from the RIAA or any of its proxies?

  9. By phil on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Personally, I do not have a problem paying for music downloads (online at iTunes or so). But isn’t P2P also for free music, that is not restricted. I mean a lot of unknown bands need to get popular with modern technologies such as P2P networks.

    This bill sounds like it is pretty serious and might pass.

  10. By Paul on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Ruben Hinojosa is “An advocate for the underserved, and economically and educationally disadvantaged, Rubén Hinojosa has made working for those in his community a primary goal,” according to his House biography. What a crock! How about tool of the RIAA who just want to collect campaign contributions while running virtually unopposed in elections.

  11. By Rashy on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    @John: It sounds like you are saying “It sucks, so I pirate it.” It seems pointless to me to pirate something that sucks. But whatever, I am just more selective ;)

    I wish college deans or whoever deals with this kind of crap would grow some balls and stand up to the RIAA. Colleges and the government are literally becoming (already are?) puppets of the RIAA. This nation has long been the interests of the powerful few, and not the many like it was meant to be.

  12. By jack on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    If this bill is passed and enforced, would the RIAA be held liable for a civil claim against them because they caused a student to be deprived of their ‘right to life, liberty…”?
    Do we have a right to higher education?
    Do we have a right to be force fed an outdated business model until death?
    Would the students be able to sue the corporations and/or university because of their police like tactics in a purely civil matter? Jurisdiction anyone?
    Do you see any legal area of possible blow back in this proposed situation? I

  13. By Jeremy on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    It’s all George Bush’s fault.

  14. By John on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    if im understanding this correctly it only takes away financial aid for students that need it. so the rich kids can still go to college but not the poor kids who need aid.

    way to go RIAA. we see who you favor now.

  15. By Amy on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    It’s a shame this article wasn’t better written. It’s obvious this is nothing like Universities being forced to make minimum payments to Visa. It might live somewhere within a thousand miles of the ball park but it’s not the same. The initial point was good and valid but the arguments and hyperbole you’ve used just remove any impact your opinions have. Sorry. Must try harder

  16. By Ian at College Colosseum on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Its amazing how they justify taking away financial aid for students, just so they can drive around in 100,000 dollar cars and live in million dollar homes.

  17. By Galaxy on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    I HATE how the US govt will try and underhand us. WE ARE AWARE, why would they try and infringe on our PRIVATE lives, i don’t get it

  18. By UKp2pFreedom on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    hi ppl, Im a guy from the UK so not realy affected at all byu this bill but i just wanted to say this i think its absolutely dispicable that a private organisation in the US can attempt to control your educational institutions.

    they really should be shot down in flames and I really hope that universities have the balls to stand up to these underhand, bullying tactics.

    The RIAA/MPAA need to face up to the fact that their business model is no longer relevant, downloading music isnt stealing, its just a more convenient, cheaper way of ppl to get hold of the music/music they want! I dont agree that its the same as stealing a cd/dvd from your nearest retail store, infact its more akin to taking said dvd/cd off the shelf, creating an identical clone for yourself and placing the orignal back on the shelf!! now tats not stealing..is it?

    you guys need to rise up and let these organisations know you’re not taking any more sh*t

    right thats my rant over, y’all have a good day ;)

  19. By Jon on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    “The funny thing is, I hope a bill like this gets passed. The government never offered me any financial aid. Instead I have to pay tuition out of loans. Now, I know the financial aid pays for other things too, but if me continuing to download(and I will) harms the same people who refuse to help me, I’ll dl twice as much.”

    So you want those who rely on financial aid to suffer because you didn’t qualify or apply for aid in a timely manner? You’re classy.

    “The problem is prices. $60 for a video game. $15 to see a movie, $20-$30 to buy the DVD. $20 for a CD. Its ridiculous. Why should we pay for something that charges insane amounts of money for nothing.”

    Do you know how much is invested in that “nothing”? You assign it no worth, yet you still want to invest something -your time and bandwidth- in order to get your grubby little mitts on it. So your time is worth nothing. You’re so very classy.

    “The greed and the gluttony of the music and movie industry, and the entire entertainment industry as a whole is thoroughly disgusting and the reason why we pirate. We pirate as a demonstration. As a way of saying “we won’t pay your prices�?.”

    You pirate because you can. Don’t bullshit us about how you are making a statement. You download all this for free because it’s ridiculously easy and you’re cheap. How much do you download? More than a couple movies a month? That sounds greedy to me. But then again, you’re classy.

    “It only makes us stronger and our will to disobey your policies fiercer.”

    And classier! Don’t forget the class.

    “When you lighten up and listen to us, then maybe we will listen to you. Until then, P2P will never die.”

    When you grow up, maybe we will.

    “-Pirates.”

    You’re not a pirate. You’re a tick.

  20. By k on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    i just made a big comment…wheres it gone?

  21. By bob on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Well maybe people will start realizing that just because music is on the internet doesnt make it free….. its still theft, its just that its easy to justify because no one can see you do it.

  22. By Master Of The Obvious on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Here’s an excellent solution to reduce unauthorized downloading by students:

    - block mp3 and audio files
    - block avi and video files
    - block zip, rar and archive files
    - block exe files
    - block known p2p protocols
    - block all usb ports
    - hire armed “copyright enforcers”. Post a one or two dozens in each computer class.
    - plaster giant posters in classrooms, with intimidating pics of people with mustaches: “BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU !!”
    - block known harmful sites like CNN.CON ;)
    - Ideally, leave hotmail and yahoo unblocked ;)

  23. By Solomon Ford on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    John- Student loans are considered financial aid, since they are backed by the U.S. government. So if this bill were to pass, and you were found guilty of illegal downloads, you would no longer be eligible for the student loans you have grown to depend upon. (Unless you’re talking about walking into a bank and taking out a personal loan for school, one that requires collateral-which is highly unlikely.) If you received any financial package from school, whether grants or loans, you’d be screwed.

  24. By mv on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    John,

    You’re an idiot. Federal Aid INCLUDES loans and work study money, not just grants/scholarships. This means that you and the vast majority of everyone else would only be able to pay for school out of pocket and through private, un-regulated loans (whose interest rates are abominable).

    Also, there are tens of thousands of students workers who depend on their campus jobs to supplement loans/grants to pay for school, These jobs are funded by the Federal Work Study program (i.e. FREE money to schools to fill positions with students) and this would be gone, too.

  25. By LBRLove on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    That is the subtle difference between a capitalist nation and a corporatist nation. In a capitalist economy, businesses are forced to compete, and that competition lowers prices to the benefit of everyone. In a corporatist nation, businesses have the power to influence laws. Thus, they coordinate their efforts to change the law to their general benefit. With these legal controls, corporations (and their satanic shills like the RIAA) become the de facto ruling force in society. This bill is just another exhibit of Americorp.

  26. By Citizen Kane on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    The RIAA sounds desperate. It’s actions grow uglier and meaner as this organization acts like it owns the government (well, I suppose corporations do, in many ways). Can you imagine any widespread congressional support for something that harms educational institutions? I can’t. With the recent Canadian research reporting that piracy actually increased CD sales (I cannot vouch for it’s scientific method or statistically validity as I have not read it), it seems that the real issue is the pathetic attempts of an industry trying to hold on to the past, a time in which it had nearly complete control of the distribution of its product and all the while being able to restrict artists access to the market and therefore their share of the profits.

    These are fascinating times, as the age-old concepts of patent rights, copyrights, and intellectual property rights are forced into the public arena. As a libertarian I am convinced that patents and the such are of little value to the common citizen and only protect the largest corporation. When Microsoft, for example, steals code from some small company with one product to offer, the small company sues. After 3 or 4 years of legal manipulations by MIcrosoft, EVEN if they are forced to payout penalties, the amount of the penalty and legal fees was worth the profit made.

    Why is it that a music company can copyright a song, a poet his lyrics, but not a physics professor his mathematical solution to a difficult problem? Government protection of these “rights” is merely protection of the rich. Like most government laws, they seem like a good idea at the time, but do little to help anyone.

    The best resolution to all of this is what is already happening, albeit slowly-technology is enabling recording artists and writers to publish their wares directly to the markets while manufacturing technology and the exponential advancement of the products themselves make patents useless very quickly.

  27. By Jay on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    If it’s George Bush’s fault, how come it is being passed by a Democrat controlled Congress. If you truly want to live in a free country, make sure Ron Paul gets elected.

  28. By Rob on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    News flash to RIAA:

    YOU DON’T RUN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
    YOU DON’T MAKE THE LAWS.
    YOU DON’T MAKE THE BUDGET.

    Maybe you don’t realize that soon, people won’t buy CDs because they don’t want to support your unethical tactics, and eventually, anyone you try to sue unfairly will come at you with the legal equilivent of a baseball bat and counter-sue to take back some of the “damages” you’ve collected over the years.

  29. By Rob on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    News flash to RIAA:

    YOU DON’T RUN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.
    YOU DON’T MAKE THE LAWS.
    YOU DON’T MAKE THE BUDGET.

    Despite all this “good” you think you’re doing, you’re turning everybody against you.

  30. By AlmightyMalachi on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    law is so wrong on so many levels…
    I can understand where the RIAA is coming from on the ban. But the plain and simple fact is the concept doesn’t work as well in real life as on paper. When federal funding comes into play, that’s when shit hits the fan. I can see it maybe if a student is running private servers and distributing about the college in district style. But not when it’s from anonymous sources. It’s really like saying, “Welp, That Microsoft Service Pack Update wasn’t Downloaded from Microsoft.com, if any students download from any other site, we drop funding for technology supplies.” Also keep in mind, it’s not just the RIAA, there’s hundreds of industry backings behind the RIAA. If anyone has noticed lately, CRIA shut down www.demonoid.com , one of the largest Bittorrent trackers in the world, by threatening the hosting company. IF the RIAA really wants to stop us from pirating. GO FOR THE SERVERS YOU DUMBSHITS, but obviously they haven’t figured that out yet. Why take away from a paid education so they can fight against a cause that is not DIRECTLY in conflict with the universities. There seriously has to be some bit of the interests of companies and not in the interests of the university. To me I see that as an unncorrelated jesture.

  31. By Free Pirate Alliance on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    class, hmm i dont eat with 6 utensils, i dont wear a suit and tie, i dont have a maid or a buttler, i dont have a 16 beddroom house, i dont have a differnet car for every day of the week. so yes i have no “class” as you call it.
    im not one of the brainwashed, spoonfed jackasses that will do anything for a suitcase of money, i may not have class but i have dignity. ticks suck blood from the host,
    just like the Riaa and all those jerks suck money from the consumer.

    students of the world, you are the future of of this world, show your oppinion, get on the streets, protest, put your bodies on the gears of society, grind it to a halt, boycott ALL music stores, movie stores, theaters, itunes store, rashpody, even concerts(appolagies to the artist) stop all flow of money to the entire industry, even the musicians, dont buy t-shirts, hoodies, stickers or anything. once the money stops to flow they will be forced to rethink their stategy, and maybee we can get some of these artists thinking about their fans and not their wallets.

    Long live P2P.
    Long live Freedom

  32. By derf on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    It would seem to me that the personal and campaign finances of Rep. George Miller (D-CA) and Rep. Ruben Hinojosa (D-TX) should be thoroughly investigated by the FBI, IRS, and whatever passes for an ethics committee in Congress these days.

  33. By RM on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Hey, John. If you have student loans, odds are you have subsidized Stafford loans that are backed by (gasp) the US Government! What that means is the government is paying for all the interest on your loans so that when you graduate (or drop out). So, to clarify, you are indirectly being paid (a small amount) to go to school by the US Government.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stafford_loan

  34. By Bob on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    @Jon.

    Your post was nothing more than bashing another reader that made a comment. You made up terms such as ‘classy’ to describe the reader, even though he never stated that he was. We really don’t give a shit about your opinion of another readers post; it’s his opinion. What I want to hear is YOUR view on the situation. It should be fantastic.

    As for my opinion on the article, I think that the Government is being the MPAA/RIAA’s bitch. If this bill does actually pass, it will undoubtedly relinquish any control we the people thought the government had. The RIAA/MPAA have gone out of their way to ruin the lives of many people just so their clients and themselves can just make a buck. They don’t give a shit about the clients, they just know that they are paying them to do their dirty work.

    If we are having such a big problem with copyright laws in the 21st century, the world will undoubtedly end with some pop band threatening to blow up the world if people don’t stop using P2P. We’ve entered the age of technology, and I think it will be a long one, or short if we don’t stop using P2P.

    In case my post didn’t seem relevant, I am a University student, but I do not have government funding. I do though still care about the many other students that do have government funding. The bill targets specific students, those that are using Government funding, which is a very small ammount at many universities. Even if they cut this funding to many students, it will not stop the other 99.9% of copyright infringement that goes on in the world. I believe that the RIAA/MPAA are targeting the wrong people. Instead, they should be focusing on local ISPs. Oh yeah, MPAA/RIAA and Comcast play golf on Wednesday. That will never work.

  35. By GrownUp on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    More juvenile rationalizations. “I’m not stealing copywrited material! I’m making a statement!” Bull. You don’t like it? Don’t buy it. Anything else is the oldest game of trying to get something for nothing, then trying to feel ok about it by setting it up in your head as righteous indignation.

    Grow up.

  36. By Dave Nofmeister on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    It’s times like these, we need to see the congressmen who create these bills, and vote them out. They have to be in the RIAA’s pockets.

  37. By Dear Jon on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Jon,

    I see that you support the RIAA’s opportunity to exploit the already exploited youth of today. I and my future children, not to be born here, thank you for making my decision easier.

  38. By John on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    I don’t see what your seeing. Basically it’s just requiring the university to put up copyright signs(which im sure it already does), maybe with a little more info on it…and then come up with a plan to address the issue. It states nowhere that it is required to follow this plan in the end. It is completely fair since most of these institutes are running their own ISP so the are the first defence when it comes to stopping the illegal downloads on their campuses.

  39. By Dreamer on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Thats what a world driven by Private corporations looks like….
    In usa it looks like the ones bringing the money and jobs are above the laws.
    When will you revolte agaisnt all that?
    Im with you by thought anyway :) Dreamer (from Belgium)

  40. By Peter on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Americans voted the politicians in. You let lobby groups campaign for special business interests. You let politicians make it legal for them to take money from businesses, they just have to tell you they did it, which makes the action so much less business oriented.

    If you can’t earn money and choose which laws to enact using that money what is the point of monetary liberty?

  41. By Cron on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    I go to a University.

    I don’t download anything (movies, music, games, etc) illegally - I’m a musician; I already have much better music than the filth the RIAA is trying to bilk consumers out of their hard earned money for. What’s more is beyond all that I have, I also have the ability to create new and better music.

    I use exclusively free software.

    This bill has no legal justification in getting passed. Constantly thinking in the aggregrate sense may work for business, but I can assure you that it won’t work targeted at a population as diverse as one found at a typical University.

    Why should I suffer for the actions of others?

  42. By Justin Beck on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Hope this is sarcasm… Looks to me like the bill was sponsored by two democrats.

    Common republican mantra is for smaller government .

  43. By ID10TErrors.com on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    The RIAA has simply been way to aggressive in their tactics, but at least they are putting some footwork in. The section of the bill we are discussing does make the institution responsible for something they have no business getting involved with. If the RIAA wants to go after people using P2P, I can understand that. However, potentially taking away federal aid because of not putting controls in place to protect from P2P use is not only hurting the institution in question, but all of their students as well. The universities would have to hire new people, train them, buy new equipment and so on just to meet this requirement. So the RIAA wants to prevent losses by increasing someone else’s expenses? If you want to fight a war, you need to fund it yourself. Don’t play politics and require someone else to do your dirty work.

    Beyond the scope of this issue, I see this kind of thing opening to the doors to much more damaging legislature in the future. Who knows what other things could be put in place under the threat of losing financial aid. Financial aid is so important to a university that losing it means you’re effectively going out of business in most cases.

  44. By Aaron on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    You know the students will end up paying for the subcriptions the universities will be forced to pay. Universities don’t pay for anything. You think your room comes with free internet and cable TV. Guess what, you’re actually paying for them when you pay your room bill. The cost is just included with everything else. It’s funny how many people think they get cable, internet and/or phone for free. Internet at the University of Montana is opt-in. I work in a tech support office for the dorms at the U of M. I get to help many residents with computer issues. So many residents complain that they have to pay when their friend at some other university gets it for free. I usually laugh and say “No, your friend is forced to pay for internet. They don’t get the option that you get.”
    Anyways, this bill is garbage. Most likely it won’t get passed.

  45. By 504soulja on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    To everoyne who is stating that this only affects students who need financial aid, you have the wrong idea. All public universities receive financial aid for all students, public money that the university uses as it sees fit. This has NOTHING at all to do with student loans, which are loans given by private banking institutions. All students are affected, not just those in financial need.

  46. By V2 on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    The RIAA has no business being involved in federal funding for Universities.

    But only you, the American people, can stop this continuing nightmare.

    As long as you allow it to continue it will only get worse and soon your lives will be completely controlled by the government.

  47. By robay on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    The bill is 750 pages long!! Do you think that anybody in Congress has the time to read and comprehend it? No.

    Call your rep and demand they sponsor the Read The Bills Act; that they oppose any bill that’s too long for them to read and comprehend; that the bills they write are no more than 3 pages long. And tell them for Pete’s sake, back off with all the bloated, bogus legislation and stick to doing the one thing they gave an oath to do: preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic.

  48. By Rob on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Attention RIAA:

    YOU DO NOT CONTROL THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT.

    The voters do. They’re the same voters that are starting to get fed up with your bullshit. If you push this too far, there will be backlash far beyond what you can even begin to comprehend. You think what you’re collecting in “damages” is high now? Wait until the legislation shifts, and you’ll be counter-sued with the legal equivalent of a sledgehammer. You’ll be paying out to harassed voters what you’ve collected twice over.

  49. By gh0st on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    hehe my 80gb ipod says

    RIAA vs. gh0st
    Exhibit - A

  50. By ubrokeme on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    @ robay

    absolutely.

    I don’t dl a LOT … but I have definitely dl’d my share.

    I used to have the outlook that if I’ve listened to something a bit that I’ve dl’d, I’d buy it to support the artist… but that thinking is old hat. not one dime of my money will go to the label. I’ll go to the concerts, I’ll buy swag at the show (t-shirts, stickers, etc…) but no more cd’s.

    The industry should’ve embraced the new technologies and devised a way to capitalise off of it. Instead, it’s fought it from day 1.

    I Highly suggest reading this article, if you haven’t already…

    http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html

    10/23 was truly a sad day.

    long live p2p … it’s not going away. like it or not it will ALWAYS be here in one form or another, instead of fighting it, they need to embrace it… but it’s too late.

    Teh internetz is doing to the labels what it’s long since done to travel agents… they’re simply not needed.

    peace

  51. By Ian on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Rob,

    people dont care enough about a screwed up war to cause a backlash, and you think people are going to get annoyed enough over this to do anything? keep dreaming. The fact is all the aggressive crap the RIAA has been pulling only effects a small percentage of the people. And the rest of the people arent going to give a crap about them.

    and to John who said he pirates to protest unfair prices - bullshit. You pirate because its free. If you wanted to protest, you could just stop buying video games, going to the movies and buying dvd’s and cd’s. If you think the prices are too high on those things, then just dont buy them at all. It’s not like you need any of those things. Its not like the people making those things are obligated to sell them at a certain price.

    I agree with you that i think the prices are too high. And i wont deny downloading stuff myself. But dont get up on a high horse claiming you are stealing stuff to protest.

    If there was only one company selling food and you couldn’t afford the food and stole it instead - i’d so go for it. but no one needs video games, movies or music to survive. So if it’s priced too high, you just don’t buy it. Or are you going to tell me its ok if you decide to go into BestBuy and steal a 60 inch flat panel HDTV because its priced too high for you to buy it?

  52. By chris on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    There was a great article on digg the other day about pirating and the reasons supporting it. Here’s the link:
    http://www.demonbaby.com/blog/2007/10/when-pigs-fly-death-of-oink-birth-of.html

    It’s a long read but well worth the effort.

  53. By Steven on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    On the plus-side, thanks to MySpace, the RIAA is losing a lot of potential clients who really don’t care if someone “steals” their music. :)

    F the RIAA.

  54. By 3v on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    I cannot vindicate p2p downloads. However, regardless of whether they are right or wrong, there is no justice in this, as it would punish the innocent as well as the “guilty.” We do not bomb New York to punish the many criminals there; they should not drop all federal aid for a collage to get those who are breaking their rules.
    Also, this is a country under the rule of a government, not a corporation. How does the MPAA have the authority to do this? Reading the comments (albeit from a somewhat biased group) this is a very unpopular decision, and an unwise one as well.

  55. By Kevin on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Hmm..that is odd. So even though the initial point is valid according to you, the opinion of the author has no impact on you??

    Given that I would not have heard about this except for the author writing the article, I believe the point has been well made for those of us who can look beyond whether the author has made proper analogies. Get over yourself already..

  56. By Kevin on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    BTW..That last comment was made in response to Amy’s post. I didn’t realize it would just add the comment to the end when replying to an individual comment.

  57. By Stephen on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    This may be far stretched, but I think maybe it’s time that the Government does step into all of this. Think about it, if I was down on the streets of LA selling bootleg copies of a CD, is the RIAA going to come down there and take me to court. No the cops are going to come and arrest me. These activities should be added to a government cyber task force and the Movie and CD distributers should have to pay additional taxes to the task force. Then eliminate the MPAA and the RIAA.

    I hate the MPAA for the unfair classification of Movies. (using NC-17 for anything they don’t personally like).

    I hate RIAA for it’s tactics in pursuing illegal downloaders.

  58. By Barry Day on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Wow, what a fantastic bill. I’ve never seen such a clear illustration of the hazards of federal financing — if you take money from the federal government, you’d better be ready for the inevitable strings that (be)come attached as competing special interests circle the trough!

    Imagine what would happen if the federal government partially funded healthcare, or education — then the feds could require that states provide such services to illegal immigrants, or lose the federal funds! (Wait, that’s already happening, isn’t it?)

    Alrighty then. Guess my kids should start saving for college.

  59. By Jim on Nov 13, 2021 | Reply

    Land of the free??? Are we really free, or are we slaves to the rich and the politicians to fill their pockets with the pittance left after all their taxes have been taken. All that you could possibly download could not even come close to what they take, take, take! Freedom of speech??? …not in this country! “Politically Correct”, what a bunch of censorship crap! They will only stop taking our money when there is none left to take. So, download what you can until they figure out a way to tax that too!

  60. By Demystro on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    Your persuasive argument can be more persuasive with one little change – if you will permit my suggestion – simply move “thus�? and move the conclusion back one sentence…

    That is the subtle difference between a capitalist nation and a corporatist nation. In a capitalist economy, businesses are forced to compete, and that competition lowers prices to the benefit of everyone. In a corporatist nation, businesses have the power to influence laws. They coordinate their efforts to change the law to their general benefit. [Thus], with these legal controls, corporations (and their satanic shills like the RIAA) become the de facto ruling force in society. This bill is just another exhibit of Americorp.

    I like where your coming from.

  61. By John on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    To nickthedude,

    I’m not a lawyer, but I am studying law, and to answer your question, I don’t believe it would be a defense at all.

    That would be like a murderer arguing that because the police didn’t charge every other murder in the state, he or she was being selectively prosecuted.

  62. By Jon on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    Dear “Dear Jon”,

    No, I don’t agree with the RIAA nor this bill.

    I just so happen to not agree with “John” and his childish, staggeringly selfish, and pitiful reasoning in his post.

    And to address another commenter: classy does not mean having a maid, wearing suits, or having a driver. That’s just silly.

  63. By Angelina Mina on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    Ohhh Gosh, now what we have left to do except studies :( RIAA is very bad. I m sad now :(.. Plz frens let’s bypass this rule at our college

    Angelina Mina
    http://www.healthtreatments.blogspot.com

  64. By dashwarts on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    Do I hear the 2 magic words “tape decks”? The way they are fighting will reduce unity of copiers (I’m not saying pirates, because let’s say your computer refuses to play music you legally purchased, and your only backups are non RIAA approved). What’s so great about tape decks? the RIAA LOST lawsuits a long time ago against their sale to the public. THe RIAA is so desperate with them, I’ve seen someone walking around with a shirt that tries to make tapes look like drugs… Even the slogan is RIAA infested! I’m not buying any new RIAA made music. Thanks to my inherited (if that’s illegal, I’ll write a casualty of the DRM war on them) LP’s, I will easily survive

  65. By dashwarts on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    Oops, forgot to mention it was reduce copier’s unity, not copiers.

  66. By Heather Burton on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    So I wondered why I couldn’t find any professional work on this topic. I believe it is because you are mistaken. One, this bill was signed into law Sept 27, 2007. No use worrying about if it will pass or not. And two, I have read nowhere that schools will be punished by having their funds taken away. It does not say that in the bill and it does not say that in what you have printed. I believe the only that required of schools is a disclosure that piracy is wrong and for the school to develop alternative to illegal file sharing as well as disciplinary actions for those who violate set rules. The bill actually provides for grants to help schools develop legal solutions.

    I figured a lawyer would know a little more before posting something like this. Thanks.

  67. By keys on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    John, your stupid for thinking like that. To use such as a law for your personal vendetta is a bullshit reason to screw over some people who might actually need financial aid.

  68. By Quasikarma on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    And even for the U of R (which I went to), no one uses the free service. not only is your access to your own music through these services limited, but hte availability of rarer bands is just not there, and for the longest time (not sure if this changed yet or not) it didn’t support MAC!

    Long live Oink, and down with the RIAA forever.

  69. By dmang on Nov 14, 2021 | Reply

    at CSU Sacramento, they already have this… campus-wide access to Rukus (and it sucks!)

  70. By Prism3d on Nov 15, 2021 | Reply

    You are an idiot. Bush is one man, and no matter how anyone argues it’s the Senate and Congress who get a bill passed. Bush can veto but it can just be passed ANYWAY.

  71. By mike on Nov 15, 2021 | Reply

    ok, how about this. no federal aide, and the music industry close down. they have a right to sell something for a profit.

    Let the schools go private and the folks with computers recreate a music industry that has good music.

    once the files are out there, it can’t be stopped. with the gov’t paying the schools, education cannot be unbiased.

    promote reason

  72. By typeoholic on Nov 16, 2021 | Reply

    Welcome to communist America. If they can’t control it, they don’t want it to exist.

    No matter how hard they try, they can’t stop us now. P2P will NEVER die!

  73. By METAL-TILL-DEATH on Nov 16, 2021 | Reply

    I have 3 blank 800GB hard drives that claim they can fill up faster than the RIAA could ever begin to pass such a retarded law. :P

  74. By Amy on Nov 16, 2021 | Reply

    Kevin - thanks for pointing out my error - I’ll correct myself. It’s not a good point, or a valid point. It’s wildly exaggerated rubbish.

  75. By GetSmart on Nov 20, 2021 | Reply

    @ Heather:

    This bill was made on Nov 7 (look at the footers of the document). So it hasn’t been passed. I can tell you don’t do very good research.

    In looking at this bill, it looks like they are offering colleges MORE funding to prevent illegal downloading…but I’m no lawyer, so don’t quote me.

    This bill is getting put into place due to all the lawsuits that are going to get thrown out of court against all those students that were served back in February. Why you may ask?

    Cause the CCPA (which is the ruling that the RIAA relies on) on says that they are allowed to go after Cable broadband providers, which a university is not.

    So the RIAA still has the DMCA to rely on yes? Nope, due to it not being hosted on any campus networks, they can’t even rely on that to sue students…

    …and then this bill comes along a few days later.

    Write to your Representative of your state and voice your opinion. You can find their contact information here: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm

  76. By You're an abomination on Nov 20, 2021 | Reply

    John, I am a student, and I have to work two on-campus jobs to help pay for college expenses. One of those is a Federal Work Study job. I also have some federal financial aid - not a lot, and not nearly enough, but some. It’s expensive even with the federal funding I’m receiving, but I’d never so incredibly spitefully support such a bill just because my education costs many thousands of dollars a year. Cease your ignorant, poorly spelled, grammatically incorrect rant and try to help fix the problem of ever-increasing tuition instead of being a malicious douche.

  77. By techforumz on Dec 16, 2021 | Reply

    RIAA should DIE! And what will happen to GNU/GPL/Linux when they push e-music and linux out of the way. I promise that if they succeed in the next round (making all devices capable of copying copyrighted materials illegal) that an ENORMOUS outrage will incur, mainly because that includes every variety of computer from a Gameboy to a cell phone, to a PC, to a laptop, to a server, to the computers controlling the government. Along with CD/DVD burners, VCRs, MP3 players, etc.. Very big impact. Imagine, not only Gates tax, but now diaRIAA tax.

  78. By techforumz on Dec 16, 2021 | Reply

    One upside: A university with 20,000 students will mean that at $10 a pop, that’s $200,000 fee, or no funding. If I were a university I would cut funding and make my money other ways.

  79. By techforumz on Dec 16, 2021 | Reply

    Oh, and by the way: unless we can revert to JUST the constitution and basic ‘no-murder’ type laws, we’re falling to a police state, very, VERY quickly. Either a revolution will come, or the United Stupid Peoples of America will DIE. In the next 20yrs is my prediction.

  80. By 1thug on Dec 21, 2021 | Reply

    the government is quick to pass legislation to favor big business (ie RIAA) but when it comes to financial aid increases, you will never get the congress to pass a damn thing…to hell with these bought out politicians

  81. By Random on Dec 27, 2021 | Reply

    Treating the populous as criminals when the industry itself is taking more and more money away from the artists is wrong, however the artists should know that this has been going on for to long and should stop making music for the industry. Musicians should be happy if someone listens to their music and genuinely likes it. Continuing to be part of the problem (not just the artists but consumers as well) funds all the actions the RIAA takes against the public. Stopping all cashflow to the industry would fix that problem but the thing is you would have to convince everyone to either pirate music,movies, and games or to stop using those products all together but lets face it the second option wouldn’t be so easy.

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